segunda-feira, 23 de outubro de 2006

Ireland supports gay couples


Dublin – «A new public opinion poll shows the majority of people in Ireland believe same‑sex couples should have the same rights and obligations as married opposite‑sex couples.
But the survey also shows most people do not think same‑sex couples should be allowed to adopt children.
The survey, taken for Dublin's Sunday Tribune, shows that 64% of those polled said they are in favour of gay and lesbian couples having the same legal and financial rights as married couples.
Just over 25% of those surveyed said were against same‑sex couple rights, while about 10% had no opinion.
The poll shows a growing trend toward acceptance of gay and lesbian partners. In February, 51% of those surveyed in a similar poll said they supported legally acknowledging gay couples.
Last January an all party committee of the Irish Parliament recommended legislation to permit civil partnerships similar to those in the UK but rejected the possibility of same-sex marriage.
The Gay and Lesbian Equality Network has been pressing for full marriage rights.
This issue is before Ireland's highest court. The case involves a couple who married in Canada but when they returned home and tried to file a joint income tax return the Revenue Commissioners refused to recognize the marriage citing Irish law. The court heard arguments in the case earlier this month and has reserved judgment.
If the court rules the government must recognize marriages performed in countries where they are already legal it could open a floodgate of couples going to the Netherlands, Belgium or Spain and force the government to bring in full marriage rights rather than civil partnerships.
While public support for same-sex couple recognition continues to grow in Ireland support for gay parenting lags.
The Sunday Tribune poll shows that 50% of those asked about same-sex couples becoming parents said that they oppose the idea. Only 37% were in favour.»

© 365Gay.com

Ireland is on the right path now. Italy seems to be heading that way too. What about Portugal? The Prime Minister should know what he's doing. The problem is I don't believe he does. Better: I don't believe he ever wants to know...

16 comentários:

disse...

Pois é, amiguinho...

Aqui no Brasil, por incrível que pareça, não é um assunto de grande debates parlamentares, não. Pelo menos, não que a mídia mostre... Apesar disso, não é incomum que a Justiça determine que, em caso de morte, o "viúvo" ou "viúva" tenham os direitos similares aos dos heterossexuais.

O candidato ao governo do estado do Rio de Janeiro que provavelmente será o próximo Governador, era, num primeiro momento, favorável aos direitos dos homossexuais; em um segundo momento, para buscar apoio de um outro político evangélico (não sei se você conhecesse essa expressão, mas evangélico é como chamamos nossos protestantes) no segundo turno, voltou atrás quanto ao direitos de homossexuais; e agora, num terceiro momento, mantém seu apoio aos direitos GLBT. Virou quase moeda de troca eleitoral.

Isso me faz pensar que parceria civil e outros direitos, não em caráter esporádicos e de maneira que dependam de acionar a Justiça ou do ponto de vista de um juiz, mas de maneira constitucional e garantida igualmente a todos, ainda demorará um pouco a sair aqui no Brasil.

Abração!
=)

RIC disse...

Muito obrigado, Lê, pelo teu comentário!
É exactamente como dizes em ambas as nossas sociedades: moeda de troca. Aqui, o partido do governo, o Socialista, com maioria absoluta no parlamento, decidiu deixar cair a discussão do projecto de lei para avançar com a questão do aborto/despenalização da interrupção voluntária da gravidez em próximo referendo. Escusado será dizer que esta questão deveria já estar resolvida há muito...
Mas este avanço irlandês é mais um pouquinho de esperança que se vem juntar ao que também está a surgir em Itália. É preciso não desmoralizar!
Um abração para ti também!

André disse...

Relativamente, àquilo que são os nossos direitos, nós temos de nos manter firmes na sua reivindicação. Eu compreendo que haja gays que tenham dúvidas, por exemplo, quanto à adopção de crianças por parte de casais homosexuais (que os há, há, e não são só aqueles que estão escondidos no armário), mas se têm que as guardem para si. O que mais faltava era nós, que já somos tão maltratados pela sociedade andarmos ainda a deitarmo-nos abaixo uns aos outros. Por amor de deus...

RIC disse...

Gosto muito desse espírito, dessa energia toda, André! Parabéns!
Como qualquer grupo social, o homossexual é tudo menos homogéneo, o que em nada facilita as coisas. O «deitar abaixo» é inaceitável, naturalmente, mas até se atingir um sentido comum de pertença e uma vontade de inter-ajuda ainda vamos ter de esperar um bocado. Espero e desejo que não muito...
Muito obrigado!

Bofiscândalo disse...

Engraçado como esse assunto não
tem importância para a maioria dos políticos, eles sempre nos acham cidadãos de segundo classe....mas vejo que com o tempo isso vem mudando, espero que o velho continente nos de esse exemplo...abção

Gray disse...

Of course, in the States, gay marriages are allowed in Massachusetts and "civil unions" are allowed in Connecticut. The laws are "silent" about the subject in New York and New Mexico (but their courts say the legislatures have to allow the marriages or unions before they are legal). The rest of the states have a state law or constitutional amendment that bans gay marriage.

Polls in this country say that more than half of those polled are in favor of allowing gay marriage. Some people quip: "Sure let them marry so they can be as miserable as the rest of us."

Joel disse...

I hate not to be treated as an equal, but all I can say on this one is I'm pro choice.

As for adopting, it's just ridiculus. Gays and lesbians make deals to have babies.

Gays get married to get a child. (play straigth)

So if it's something WE can have and make, why stop us from adopting?

RIC disse...

Olá Bofiscândalo!
... E qualquer outro assunto passa facilmente à frente dos nossos, pelo menos por aqui...
Quanto à Europa, espero que alguns países possam dar-nos algumas surpresas, como é o caso da catolicíssima Irlanda... Ou mesmo a Itália.
Obrigado e um abração!

RIC disse...

Hello Gray! As far as Portugal is concerned, I can predict the big issue of the debate yet to come: it will be around words. «Matrimmony», which is a sacrament, and accordingly the church will be totally against, and «marriage», which rightwing politicians will declare admissible only for a man and a woman. And around semantics years will go by...
That last «joke» proves how straight people think about family life and how much they care about it... Curiously enough...
Thanks a lot!

RIC disse...

Hello Joel! The adoption issue is in my opinion just a matter of time. Here in Europe the most significant example has been given by the most catholic Spain: gays and lesbians may now adopt children according to a recently passed law. Even the Pope tried to do something against it, but didn't succeed... That was really quite courageous from the Spaniards indeed!
I am totally for adoption! It makes all the sense to me.
Thanks a lot, Joel!

Anónimo disse...

I think people are just afraid of the unknown. It's completely absurd but hopefully by example when can show that we are just as good if not better parents than our comrades. We have a whole generation of kids raised by gay parents who hopefully will become our best spokespeople.

Bruce disse...

Ric,

I wish we could be as hopeful as you seem to be concerning the situation in Italy. prodi has not be reliable on this issue in the past, and there is no reason to believe that he will risk his weak majority on a gay rights question.

It is clear that this Pope has no respect for the separation of Church and state. The Church will do everything in its power to derail any significant gay rights legislation. Many Italians who are indifferent to the gay rights question still resent the Church's meddling in Italian politics, but I think we are still pretty far from being able to challenge the Church on the gay marriage and adoption issue. Even civil unions seem to be unlikely in Italy for some time.

RIC disse...

Hello Brian! That's quite a step ahead of us that you have in the USA... I longer for the day when we can say the same around here about a whole generation brought up by gay parents... There are some examples yet, yes, but they're just a few sand grains in the desert. But I'm sure foreign examples will be most significant, since Portugal - and the Portuguese - just love to immitate and copy. Not always the best things, true, but it's nevertheless quite important.
Thank you so very much! :-)
All the best for E!

RIC disse...

Hello Bruce! Yes, this Pope! Always this Pope in the way! Bavaria had to produce and send to Rome another one of the worst examples of German catholicism...
Moreover, Prodi has never struck me as a trustworthy politician. I'm only a little bit gladder as far as Italian politics is concerned because he won, not Berlusconi.
But as to us, maybe Ireland after Spain will help to set a trend... I do hope so, though the situation around here is definitely not better than in Italy. And saying that the Socialist rule here with absolute majority in the parliament... Sounds like a bad taste joke!
Thank you very much!

Gray disse...

Ric,

First: a correction. Vermont also allows "Civil Unions."

Second: something new. California has just passed a "Domestic Partners" law which will took effect last year (2005).

The differences between the two states:

# Vermont recognizes civil unions only after official ceremonies
# California only requires couples to register with the state
# Only Vermont couples can file joint tax returns
# California couples gain partnership rights in areas such as child custody, legal claims, housing protections, bereavement leaves and state benefits
# Vermont's bill was the result of a state supreme court decision
# California's bill was drafted by open lesbian Jackie Goldberg and four other gay state legislators

Just thought you'd be interested that, even in my own state, headway is being made.

RIC disse...

Yes, of course, Gray! Thank you so very much! After having posted this, I've also read about the change occurred in New Jersey. It may be quite a small step, but it's no doubt a beginning. And changes are underway indeed!
Wish you and California the best!